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************* ├ATEGORY 4 ╘OPIC 7 ************* ╘OPIC 7 ╘HU ╧CT 10, 1991 ─.╠┴╒╥╔┴1 [┌APPO!] (╞ORWARDED) ╙UB: ┼XPANDING THE 1700 ╘HIS TOPIC IS FOR POSTS PERTAINING TO THE UPGRADE OF THE 128K ╥┴═ EXPANDER 43 MESSAGE(S) TOTAL. ------------ ═ESSAGE 1 ╘HU ╧CT 10, 1991 ─.╠┴╒╥╔┴1 [┌APPO!] (╞ORWARDED) ╔ NEED SOME HELP FROM ANYONE WHO HAS ALREADY EXPANDED THEIR 1700 TO 512╦. ┴FTER INSTALLING NEW CHIPS (41├256╨-10) AND CUTTING ╩1 MY EXPANDER WORKS NOT AT ALL. ╔ AM CHECKING THE CONNECTIONS, BUT IN THE MEANTIME AM LOOKING FOR ANY INFORMATION ╔ MAY NOT BE AWARE OF. ╞OR EXAMPLE, WHAT IS THE EMPTY CIRCUIT DESIGNATION ╒18 FOR? ─O ╔ NEED TO INSTALL SOMETHING ELSE ╔'M NOT AWARE OF? ╨LEASE, ANYONE WHO CAN, ╚┼╠╨!! ------------ ═ESSAGE 2 ╞RI ╧CT 11, 1991 ├128.╩┬┼┼ [* ╙YSOP *] (╞ORWARDED) ╫ELL, ╔ HAVE EXPANDED ═┴╬┘ 1700S AND BESIDES BEING A REAL HEADBANGER IT IS ALSO SOMETHING EASY TO MESS UP. ╔ COULD LOOK WITH A MAGNIFYING GLASS AT ┴╠╠ THE CIRCUIT TRACES ON THE BOARD TO MAKE SURE THEY DID NOT LIFT OFF THE BOARD AND RIP. ╘HE THING TO DO IS START LOOKING AT THE TRACES LEADING FROM THE BAD SOCKETS SHOWN BY THE ╥┼╒ TEST PROGRAM. ╔ RECOMMEND USING THE ORIGINAL ├= TEST PROGRAM VS. A FAST TEST PROGRAM. ╧NCE YOU HAVE FOUND THE TRACES THAT ARE BAD JUST WIRE WRAP THEM (RUN A LEAD) FROM ONE POINT TO ANOTHER. ╔ USE 28 GAUGE WIRE BUT ╔ IMAGINE ANYTHING FROM 24 UP WILL DO. ┴S FOR YOUR CHIPS IF THEY ARE 41256 (WHICH IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE) THEN YOU SHOULD BE OKAY ON THOSE. ─ON'T KNOW WHY IT HAS A "P". RE:CUTTING THE PAD ═AKE SURE YOU CUT IT AT THE RIGHT PLACE! AND THAT IT IS CUT DEEPLY. ╩┬┼┼ (: PS.THE EXTRA RESISTOR THEY RECOMMEND PLACICNG AT ╥4 (╔ DID IT ONCE) DOESNT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE IN THE ╥┼╒ THAT ╔ CAN DETECT. ------------ ═ESSAGE 3 ╙AT ╧CT 12, 1991 ─.╠┴╒╥╔┴1 [┌APPO!] (╞ORWARDED) ╚MMM.... IS THE ╥┴═ TEST PROGRAM HERE ON ╟┼NIE? ╔ CAN'T SEEM TO FIND IT ANYWHERE. ┴LSO, ╔'M USING THIS WITH A ├64. ╔ HAVE A HEAVY POWER SUPPLY - IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ╔ NEED? ┬ESIDES HELP? ------------ ═ESSAGE 4 ╙AT ╧CT 12, 1991 ╚.╚┼╥═┴╬1 (╞ORWARDED) ╔ THINK ╩┬┼┼ WAS REFERRING TO ├OMMODORE'S RAM TEST PROGRAM, WHICH CAME ON DISK WITH THE ╥┼╒ ╚OWIE ------------ ═ESSAGE 5 ╙AT ╧CT 12, 1991 ├128.╩┬┼┼ [* ╙YSOP *] (╞ORWARDED) ┘ES, ╔ WAS REFERRING TO THE TEST DISK THAT COMES WITH THE 1700. ╘HE SAME DISK IS USED FOR BOTH THE 1700 AND 1750. ═AVERICK ALSO HAS A CHECKER. ╙OUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO START USING IT ONCE YOU TRACE DOWN YOUR PROBLEM. ------------ ═ESSAGE 6 ═ON ╬OV 04, 1991 ─.╠┴╒╥╔┴1 [┌APPO!] (╞ORWARDED) ╫ELL, EVERYTHING IS UP AND WORKING FINE. ╘HANKS ╩┬┼┼ FOR THE HELP! ╧NE LAST QUESTION, THOUGH: HOW CAN ╔ GET MY HANDS ON THE ╥┼╒ DISK FOR THE ├64? ╔S THERE ONE? ╬ONE ON THE PROGRAMS ON THE 1700/1750 TEST/DEMO DISK ARE W WRITTEN IN ┬┴╙╔├ 2.0... ------------ ═ESSAGE 7 ═ON ╬OV 04, 1991 ─.╠┴╒╥╔┴1 [┌APPO!] (╞ORWARDED) ┴N UNRELATED QUESTION: ─OES ANYONE KNOW IF THE 64 MODE FILES FOR READING AN INSTALLED ╙═┴╥╘╫┴╘├╚ CHIP ARE HERE ON ╟┼╬╔┼? ╬OT JUST THE ╟┼╧╙ AUTOEXEC FILE (WHICH ╔ DO HAVE) BUT THE ┬┴╙╔├ OR MACHINE CODE. ╔M AP$ LIBRARIES AND SHOULD WORK ON EITHER A ├64 OR ├128. ╔ BELIEVE THE UPLOADER WAS "LOVHAUG" OR "SPARROW.J" ------------ ═ESSAGE 9 ╘UE ╬OV 05, 1991 ╥.╦╬╧╨1 [╥OB ╦NOP] (╞ORWARDED) ╩┬┼┼-- ╔S THAT THE VERSION OF ╥┴═─╧╙ THAT SUPPORTS UP TO 2 ═EG ╥┼╒S? ╘HAT'S THE VERSION ╔ USE (IT IS ON THE ╦EY─╧╙ ╥╧═). ╘HE VERSION THAT THE ╥┴═─╧╙ DISK HEADER SAYS IS RAMDOS ][, VERSION 4.5. ╔ DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL RUN ON THE 64, OR IF IT ONLY RUNS ON THE 128. -╥OB ------------ ═ESSAGE 10 ╫ED ╬OV 06, 1991 ├128.╩┬┼┼ [* ╙YSOP *] (╞ORWARDED) ╬O, THAT IS THE VERSION FOR THE REGULAR 512K ╥┼╒. ------------ ═ESSAGE 11 ╘HU ╬OV 07, 1991 ╥.╦╬╧╨1 [╥OB ╦NOP] (╞ORWARDED) ╚MMM.... ╔'VE GOT A COPY OF RAMDOSII.SFX, WHICH IS THE VERSION THAT SUPPORTS UP TO 2 ═EG REU'S. ╔T IS DOWNWARDLY COMPATIBLE TO SUPPORT REU'S OF LOWER MEGGAGE (E.G. 0.5 MEG REU'S :) ). ╔ WILL UPLOAD IT TO... HMMM, ╔ HAVE NEVER ACTUALLY TESTED THIS IN 64 MODE, BUT ╔ THINK THE SAME PROGRAM RUNS IN BOTH, SO NOT A ├128 SPECIFIC LIBRARY, SO ╔ WILL UPLOAD IT TO LIBRARY #4, "─ISK & ╞ILE ╘OOLKIT." ╩┬┼┼, IF YOU THINK IT SHOULD GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, PLEASE MOVE IT :) -╥OB ------------ ═ESSAGE 12 ╘HU ╬OV 07, 1991 ├128.╩┬┼┼ [* ╙YSOP *] (╞ORWARDED) ╧KAY, IF IT WORKS IN BOTH MODES ╔ WILL LEAVE IT IN #4 :) ------------ ═ESSAGE 13 ╙AT ╩AN 04, 1992 ═.═├├╧╥═╔├10 [═IKE ═C-] AT 22:46 ┼╙╘ ┴LL- ╔ INTEND TO EXPAND MY 1764.╔ CALLED ╟RAPEVINE AND THEY QUOTED ME $2.75 PER CHIP. ╔ KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE MENTIONED OTHER SOURCES WITH MORE REASONABLE PRICES,$.80-$1.25. ╨LEASE LEAVE ME THE ADDRESSES OR 800 #'S,HERE OR ┼-═┴╔╠. ╘HANKS IN ADVANCE. ═IKE ═C- ------------ ═ESSAGE 14 ╙UN ╩AN 05, 1992 ├128.╩┬┼┼ [* ╙YSOP *] AT 00:25 ┼╙╘ ┬.╟. ═ICRO 1-214-271-5546 41256-100NS $1.25 OR $ 9/9.95 ╘HEY ALSO SELL SOCKETS FOR 13/$1 ╘HERE ARE OTHER PLACES THAT SELL THEM CHEAPER, BUT FOR SOMEONE BUYING A SMALL AMOUNT AND THAT DOES NOT WANT ANY HASSLES THEY ARE OKAY. ------------ ═ESSAGE 15 ╙AT ╩AN 11, 1992 ═.═├├╧╥═╔├10 [═IKE ═C-] AT 06:05 ┼╙╘ ╩.┬┼┼- ╘HANKS FOR THE INFO.╬OW ╔ CAN GET STARTED W/ MY ╥┼╒. ═IKE ═C- ------------ ═ESSAGE 16 ╙AT ╩AN 11, 1992 ├128.╩┬┼┼ [* ╙YSOP *] AT 17:03 ┼╙╘ ┘OU ARE WELCOME :) ------------ ═ESSAGE 17 ╙UN ═AR 08, 1992 ═.═├├╧╥═╔├10 [═IKE ═C-] AT 21:25 ┼╙╘ ╩┬┼┼- ╫OULD YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE THE ADDRESS FOR ┬.╟.═ICRO?┘OU LEFT THE PHONE #,BUT IT IS LONG DISTANCE. ╫ITH THE PRICES THAT YOU QUOTED ME,╔ MIGHT AS WELL JUST ORDER BY MAIL. ═IKE ═C- ------------ ═ESSAGE 18 ═ON ═AR 09, 1992 ├128.╩┬┼┼ [* ╙YSOP *] AT 06:31 ┼╙╘ 1-214-271-5546 ┬.╟. ═ICRO ------------ ═ESSAGE 19 ═ON ═AR 09, 1992 ├128.╩┬┼┼ [* ╙YSOP *] AT 07:13 ┼╙╘ 1-214-271-5546 ┬.╟. ═ICRO ╨╧ ┬OX 280298 ─ALLAS, ╘╪ 75228 ╔ DO NOT KNOW IF ╔ MENTIONED THIS BEFORE BUT THEY ADVERTISE IN ├OMPUTER ╙HOPPER AND HAVE A 4-6 PAGE FLYER FILLED WITH NEAT STUFF INCLUDING LASERS :) ------------ ═ESSAGE 20 ╙AT ┴PR 04, 1992 ═.═├├╧╥═╔├10 [═IKE ═C-] AT 20:45 ┼╙╘ ╩.┬┼┼- ╔ AM GOING TO EXPAND MY 1764 TO 512╦.╘HE ┬.╟.MICRO CATALOG DOES NOT LIST ─╔╨ SOCKETS. IT DOES LIST"SOLDER TAILS".┴RE THESE THE SAME OR CAN THEY BE USED INSTEAD? ═IKE ═C- ------------ ═ESSAGE 21 ╙UN ┴PR 05, 1992 ├128.╩┬┼┼ [* ╙YSOP *] AT 17:50 ┼─╘ ╘HE ─╔╨ SOCKETS (─UAL ╔NLINE ╨ACKAGES - TWO ROWS OF SINGLE SOCKETS) ARE WHAT YOU NEED. ╔ BELIEVE THE SOLDER TAILS ARE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. ╔ BELIEVE THEY HAVE OPEN ENDS ON THE LEGS WHERE YOU INSERT A WIRE AND THEN FLOW SOLDER INTO THE HOLE IN THE LEG TO HOLD THE WIRE IN PLACE. ╬OT SURE THOUGH. ├ALL THEM AND ASK FOR DIP SOCKETS. ╔ KNOW THEY CARRY THEM SINCE ╔ BOUGHT A WHOLE SLEW OF DIFFERENT ONES BEFORE. ╘HEY ARE 12 FOR A DOLLAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT! ╓ERY INEXPENSIVE. ╫HILE YOU ARE AT IT ╔ WOULD SUGGEST INSTALLING A 24 PIN (?) SOCKET IN THE ╥┼╒ IN CASE YOU DECIDE TO ADD AN EPROM LATER. ------------ ═ESSAGE 22 ╙UN ┴PR 05, 1992 ═.═├├╧╥═╔├10 [═IKE ═C-] AT 21:03 ┼─╘ ╩.┬┼┼- ╫HAT IS AN EPROM AND WHY WOULD ╔ ADD ONE?┴S TO THE ─╔╨ SOCKETS,╔ AM SUPRISED THAT THEY ARE NOT MENTIONED IN THE CATALOG.╔ HAVE ANOTHER CATALOG FROM ╩─╥ AND THEY DON'T HAVE THEM EITHER. ═IKE ═C- ------------ ═ESSAGE 23 ╙UN ┴PR 05, 1992 ├128.╩┬┼┼ [* ╙YSOP *] AT 23:17 ┼─╘ ┼RASEABLE/╨ROGRAMMABLE ╥EAD ╧NLY ═EMORY = ┼╨╥╧═ ╔T IS A CHIP THAT COMES WITH A SOFTWARE PROGRAM INSTALLED ON IT. ╘HERE ARE A LOT OF NEW SOFTWARE PACKAGES COMING OUT FOR THE ├-128 AND ├-64 THAT COME ON ┼╨╥╧═╙. ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 7 ═ESSAGE 24 ═ON ┴PR 06, 1992 ═.─╒╠╙╦╔1 [═ARK @╫╔┌┴╥─] AT 22:39 ┼─╘ ═IKE, ╠OOKING THROUGH THE CATALOGS ╔ HAVE (╩─╥ INCLUDED) ╔'VE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT A 'SOLDERTAIL' IS A 'IC SOCKET' IS A 'DIP'. ╙EEMS ALL THE CATALOGS ARE DOING IS DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN A WIRE-WRAP DIP AND A DIP YOU *SOLDER* ON BOARD. ┘OU SHOULD BE SAFE ORDERING THE SOLDERTAIL IC SOCKETS. >>═ARK>> ------------ ═ESSAGE 25 ╘HU ┴PR 16, 1992 ═.═├├╧╥═╔├10 [═IKE ═C-] AT 06:20 ┼─╘ ═ARK- ╘HANKS FOR THE INPUT.╔ TOOK A CHANCE AND ORDERED ─╔╨ SOCKETS AT THE PRICE QUOTED FOR SOLDERTAILS. ---*****************************************************--- ╩┬┼┼- ┴S YOU KNOW ╔ AM A NOVICE TO THE INNERWORKINGS OF COMPUTERS,BUT A FAST LEARNER. ╫HERE CAN ╔ READ MORE ABOUT ┼╨╥╧═╙ AND WHAT IS BEING DEVELOPED FOR 64S? ═IKE ═C- ------------ ═ESSAGE 26 ╘HU ┴PR 16, 1992 ╚╧╫╔┼-├┬═ AT 08:11 ┼─╘ ═IKE ═C, ╔ BELIEVE THAT ╩ASON-╥ANHEIM WOULD BE THE PRIME SOURCE FOR EVERYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH ANYTHING ABOUT ┼╨╥╧═'S AND THE 64 AND 128. ┴ND, ╙CHNEDLER ╙YSTEMS MIGHT HAVE A FEW USEFUL ACCESSORIES TOO. :) ─ID YOU READ ╘HE ╚ACKER'S ═AGAZINE FILE IN THE ╞LAG╙HIP ╠IBRARY? ╚OWIE ------------ ═ESSAGE 27 ╙AT ┴PR 25, 1992 ═.═├├╧╥═╔├10 [═IKE ═C-] AT 05:58 ┼─╘ ═Y EXPANDED 1764 TO 512 WORKS PROPERLY FOR A WHILE OR EVEN ALL DAY.╔T IS AFTER IT SITS A WHILE THAT ╔ HAVE PROBLEMS.╔T MESSAGES UP MY ╥╠ DEVICE.╔ GET ┼╥╥╧╥ BLOCK 1024. ╔T DOESN'T SEEEM TO FIT IN THE ╥╠ PROPERLY.╚OW SHOULD THE PAPER FIT WITH THE METAL SHIELD? ╔NSIDE OR OUTSIDE? ╔T WORKS FINE AFTER ╔ TAKE IT OUT AND PUT IT BACK IN.┬UT,TO DO THIS ╔ MUST SHUT OFF ALL MY POWER. ╔ EVEN MUST DISCONNECT THE BATTERY BACK-UP FROM ╥╠.╘HIS MEANS ╔ LOSE EVERYTHING. ┴NY SUGGESTIONS?? ═IKE ═C- ------------ ═ESSAGE 28 ╙AT ┴PR 25, 1992 ├128.╩┬┼┼ [* ╙YSOP *] AT 23:22 ┼─╘ ╘HE PAPER SHOULD BE PUT ON THE BOTTOM OF THE ╥┼╒ BOARD AND THEN INSERTED INTO THE METAL CASE. ╙OMETIMES PEOPLE SQUISH THE METAL TABS ON THE ╥╞╔ SHIELD NEAR THE CONNECTOR AND THEY MAKE CONTACT WITH THE ╨├ BOARD WHERE THEY SHOULD NOT. ╔ WOULD SUGGEST RUNNING THE ╥┼╒ BY ITSELF USING A MEMORY TEST PROGRAM TO DETERMINE IF YOU MIGHT HAVE A BAD DRAM SOMEWHERE OR A FAULTY SOLDER JOINT. ------------ ═ESSAGE 29 ╘UE ┴PR 28, 1992 ═.═├├╧╥═╔├10 [═IKE ═C-] AT 05:44 ┼─╘ ╩┬┼┼- ╔ HAD THE PAPER BETWEEN THE ╨├ BOARD AND THE SHIELD.╔T JUST DIDN'T LOOK CORRECT AT THE CONNECTOR END. ╫HAT IF ╔ PUT A PIECE OF ELECTRICAL TAPE WHERE THE SHIELD COMES DOWN NEAR THE CONNECTOR? ═IKE ═C- ------------ ═ESSAGE 30 ╘UE ┴PR 28, 1992 ├128.╩┬┼┼ [* ╙YSOP *] AT 07:50 ┼─╘ ╘HERE IS SUPPOSE TO BE A PIECE OF TAPE THERE ANYWAY. ╔T IS SUPPOSE TO HOLD THE TWO "FLAPS" OF CARDBOARD DOWN TO THE BOARD AND THE TAPE GOES OVER THE TOP OF THE BOARD. :::==TAPE==::: :: PC BOARD :: :::::::::::::::: ^ CARDBOARD ^ ╠OOKING AT THE CONNECTOR ^ ------------ ═ESSAGE 31 ╫ED ┴PR 29, 1992 ═.═├├╧╥═╔├10 [═IKE ═C-] AT 06:33 ┼─╘ ╩┬┼┼- ╘HERE WAS NO TAPE AND THAT WAS THE PROBLEM,IT WOULD NOT CLOSE PROPERLY. ╔ DON'T INTEND TO USE IT FOR A WHILE,NOW THAT ╥╠ DOES EVERYTHING ╔ NEED.╫HO KNOWS,╔ WILL FIND A REASON TO USE IN THE FUTURE. ═IKE ═C- ------------ ═ESSAGE 32 ╘HU ╩UN 18, 1992 ═.═├├╧╥═╔├10 [═IKE ═C-] AT 05:32 ┼─╘ ┴LL- ═Y EXPANDED 1764(TO 512) HAS SOME BAD BLOCK IN IT.╔ DO NOT KNOW HOW TO IDENTIFY & REPAIR IT. ╔ HAVE DONE A RAM TEST AND IT SHOWS UP IN 2 LOCATIONS.┬LOCK 448 W/ EXTENDER CABLE. ┬LOCK 1024 W/O EXTENDER CABLE. ╔ HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY ADVERTISING REPAIRS ON THESE ╥┼╒'S.─OES ANYBODY KNOW OF ANY? ─OES ANYBODY HERE SEE ANY ADS ON "╤"?╘HERE USED TO BE A FEW OVER THERE. ═IKE ═C- ------------ ═ESSAGE 33 ╘HU ╩UN 18, 1992 ├128.╩┬┼┼ [* ╙YSOP *] AT 22:57 ┼─╘ ╫ITHOUT THE EXPANDER CABLE AND WITH THE ╥┼╒ PLUGGED DIRECTLY INTO THE COMPUTER TRY RUNNING THE ═AVERICK ╥┼╒ QUICK TEST IF YOU HAVE IT TO SEE WHICH CHIP IS TESTING BAD. ╘HEN REPLACE IT. ╔F THE CHIP STILL TESTS BAD THEN LOOK CAREFULLY AT THE BOARD AND LOOK FOR EITHER LIFTED/RIPPED BOARD TRACES OR AN INCOMPLETE SOLDER CONNECTION. ╔F YOU HAVE EITHER OF THE TWO ABOVE PROBLEMS YOU CAN MAKE A LOT OF CHIPS LOOK BAD WHEN IN FACT IT IS ONLY ONE CHIP. ------------ ═ESSAGE 34 ╞RI ╩UN 19, 1992 ═.═├├╧╥═╔├10 [═IKE ═C-] AT 05:39 ┼─╘ ╩┬┼┼- ╔ DO NOT HAVE THE ═AVERICK ╥┼╒ QUICK TEST.╘HE ╥╠ ╥AM ╘EST SHOWS THE BLOCK ERROR AS 1024,W/O THE CABLE. ╘HE REST OF THE PASSES(┬YTE,╞ILL,ETC.)WERE OKAY. ╔ ALSO ADDED THE RESISTOR BUT IT HAD NO AFFECT. ═IKE ═C- ------------ ═ESSAGE 35 ╞RI ╩UN 19, 1992 ├┬═-┼─ [E.G.BELL] AT 06:35 ┼─╘ ─ON'T THE BANKS HAVE IDENTIFIABLE RELATED CHIPS. ╙EEMS TO ME ╔ READ SOMEWHERE THAT THERE IS A CHIP IDENTIFIED WITH EACH BANK. ╔F THAT IS THE CASE, SEEMS IT WOULD BE A LITTLE THING TO ISOLATE THE CHIP. ╔ HAVE BEEN DIRECTED TO A ═ELVIN ═ONTGOMERY WHO DOES THE ╥┼╒ UPGRADES FOR LIKE $50. ┬ET HE COULD ISOLATE THE PROBLEM FOR YOU REASONABLY. ╚IS ADDRESS: 1504 ┴MHERST ─R. ╨LANO ╘╪ 75075 ╘ELEPHONE: 214-424-2257 ╧NE OF THESE DAYS ╔'M GONNA GET MINE DONE TO 1 OR 2 MEG. ------------ ═ESSAGE 36 ╞RI ╩UN 19, 1992 ╚╧╫╔┼-├┬═ AT 07:23 ┼─╘ ┼D, ╫HEN YOU EXPAND THE ╥┼╒, ╔'VE HEARD IT SUGGESTED THAT YOU STOP AT 1 ═EG. ╔T SEEMS THAT SEVERAL WHICH WERE EXPANDED TO 2 ═EGS FIZZLED AFTER 6-12 MONTHS OF USE. ╙OMETHING TO DO WITH A STRAIN ON THE CONTROLLER, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. ┘OU MIGHT TRY FOR 1.5 ═EGS. ╔ BELIEVE ╥OB HAS ONE THAT WAS MODIFIED FOR THAT AND HIS SEEMS TO BE FINE. ╫OULDN'T GO BEYOND THAT THO. ┬ESIDES NOW WITH ╥┴═─RIVES AND ╥┴═╠INKS THERE ARE SOME PRETTY NICE ALTERNATIVES. :) ╚OWIE ------------ ═ESSAGE 37 ╞RI ╩UN 19, 1992 ╥.╦╬╧╨1 [╥OB ╦NOP] AT 10:53 ┼─╘ ┘ES, AS ╚OWIE SAYS, ╔ DO HAVE A 1.5 ═EG ╥┼╒ AND IT SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN RUNNING JUST FINE FOR ME FOR ... WHAT, TWO YEARS NOW? ╔ FORGET. ╘HE ONLY HINT OF A PROBLEM ╔'VE HAD IS THAT ╔ ╟ATE╫AY128 WOULD OCCASIONALLY CRASH ON ME. ╙INCE ╔ HAVEN'T HAD ANY TROUBLE WITH THE DESK╘OP, OR WITH ┌┼─, NOR WITH ANY OF THE MYRIAD PROGRAMS THAT USE ONLY THE FIRST 512╦ OF THE ╥┼╒, ╔ MIGHT GUESS THAT ╟ATE╫AY HAD SOME SOFTWARE PROBLEM WITH THE EXPANDED ╥┼╒. ├OULD HAVE BEEN A HARDWARE PROBLEM THOUGH. ╘O BE SAFE, THOUGH, IF YOU DO GET EXPAND YOUR ╥┼╒, NOWADAYS ╔ WOULD STILL STOP AT 1 ═EG. ╔ PROBABLY WOULD HAVE STOPPED AT 1 ═EG IF ╔ HAD HAD MY ╥┼╒ EXPANDED AFTER HEARING THE PROBLEMS WITH THE LARGER ╥┼╒'S. -╥OB ------------ ═ESSAGE 38 ╞RI ╩UN 19, 1992 ═.═├├╧╥═╔├10 [═IKE ═C-] AT 20:46 ┼─╘ ╚OW DO ╔ IDENTIFY THE BANK?╧NCE ╔ DO THAT,THEN MAYBE ╔ CAN IDENTIFY THE CHIP. ┴LL ╔ SAW WAS "BLOCK ERROR 1024". ═IKE ═C- ------------ ═ESSAGE 39 ╞RI ╩UN 19, 1992 ├128.╩┬┼┼ [* ╙YSOP *] AT 23:04 ┼─╘ ╔ AM GOING TO HAVE TO HUNT DOWN MY ├-1750 MANUAL AND SEE WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT THE TEST PROGRAM AND THE BLKS. ═IKE, DID YOU USE SOCKETS FOR ALL THE DRAMS? ╔F YOU ARE WILLING TO SPEND $20-$30 IN ╥ADIO ╙HACK HARDWARE ╔ CAN STEP YOU THROUGH THE WAY TO TEST FOR BAD OR RIPPED TRACES AND HOW TO REPAIR THEM. ╘EDIOUS, BUT FAIRLY EASY TO DO. ─O YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF DIGITAL METERS? ------------ ═ESSAGE 40 ╙AT ╩UN 20, 1992 ═.═├├╧╥═╔├10 [═IKE ═C-] AT 06:08 ┼─╘ ╩┬┼┼- ╔ DID USE SOCKETS.╔F ╔ AM GOING TO BUY METERS AND TOOLS THAT ╔ AM UNFAMILIAR WITH,MAYBE ╔ SHOULD JUST SEND IT OUT.╔ THOUGHT THAT THE ERROR MESSAGE COULD DIRECT ME TO THE CHIP AND THEN ╔ COULD REMOVE IT AND THE SOCKET AND MAKE WHATEVER REPAIRS APPEAR NECESSARY. ═IKE ═C- ------------ ═ESSAGE 41 ╙UN ╩UN 21, 1992 ├┬═-┼─ [E.G.BELL] AT 23:35 ┼─╘ ╔ THOUGHT THE ┬┴╬╦╙ WERE EACH 16╦ OR SOMETHING, RIGHT. ╔F THAT IS THE CASE THAN ADDRESS 1024 WOULD BE IN THE FIRST ┬┴╬╦ IF MY WAY OF FIGURING IS CORRECT. WRT ╥┼╒ EXPANSION, ╔ HAVE SEEN BOTH SIDES OF THE DISCUSSION. ╘HO ╔ HAVE HEARD MORE STORIES OF PEOPLE DOING 2 MEGS WITH NO TROUBLES THAN ╔ HAVE OF PEOPLE HAVING PROBLEMS AFTER THE EXPANSION. ╙TILL, ╔ WOULD PROBABLY THINK IT OVER VERY CAREFULLY. ╔ DON'T EVEN USE MY ╥┼╒ NOW, SO ╔"M SURE ╔ CAN DO W/O AN EXTRA MEG OF MEMORY. ┴S FAR AS THE ╥┴═╠╔╬╦, ╔ CAN GET THE EXPANSION TO MY ╥┼╒ DONE FOR $50. ┴ND ╔ DON'T EVEN WANT TO SPEND THAT RIGHT NOW. ╔ WOULD LOVE A HARD DRIVE SOMEDAY THO, AND MAYBE AN EXPANDED ╥┴═ EXPANSION UNIT OF ONE FLAVOR OR ANOTHER! ------------ ═ESSAGE 42 ═ON ╩UN 22, 1992 ═.═├├╧╥═╔├10 [═IKE ═C-] AT 05:18 ┼─╘ E.G.BELL- ╔F THE ADDRESS 1024 IS IN THE FIRST ┬┴╬╦,THAN IT IS IN THE UNEXPANDED PART OF THE ╥┼╒. ╫HERE CAN ╔ GET THE UNIT EXPANDED FOR $50?═AYBE THEY CAN REPAIR IT ALSO. ╔F YOU EVER GET A CHANCE TO USE ╥╠,THEN YOU WILL SEE WHYIT IS SO MUCH BETTER.╔ HAVE ALL OF MY FILES AND PROGRAMS IN THERE AND READY AT POWER-UP.╔ CAN TASK SWITCH ALSO. ┴ HARD DRIVE WILL BE A LUXURY.╔F ╔ AM WILLING TO SPEND FOR THAT,╔ HAVE TO CONSIDER A ╨├. ═IKE ═C- ------------ ═ESSAGE 43 ═ON ╩UN 22, 1992 ├┬═-┼─ [E.G.BELL] AT 18:24 ┼─╘ ╔ THINK ╔ POSTED THIS SOMEWHERE, BUT HERE IS THE ADDRESS OF THE GUY WHO ╔ HEAR DOES THE 2MEG EXPANSION OF AN ╥┼╒ FOR $50. ═ELVIN ═ONTGOMERY 1504 ┴MHERST ─R. ╨LANO ╘╪ 75075 ╔F ╔ WERE GOING TO GET IT DONE, ╔ WOULD INVEST IN AT LEAST 1 LONG DISTANCE CALL TO SEE WHAT KIND OF GUARANTEE ╔ WAS GOING TO GET FOR THE WORK. ╔ KNOW $50 IS CHEAP, IF THAT IS STILL THE CORRECT PRICE, BUT ╔ WOULDN'T WANT MY ╥┼╒ TRASHED. ╚OWEVER, THE GUY IS SUPPOSED TO BE PRETTY GOOD, IF YOU ARE INTERESTED. ╔ DON'T HAVE A PHONE NUMBER. ╙OMEDAY ╔ MAY CONSIDER A ╥AM╠INK, OR IS IT THE ╥┴═─RIVE THAT IS BETTER? ─ON'T MATTER. ╔ DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF CASH FOR THAT KIND OF LUXURY JUST NOW. ╙OMEDAY...>>SIGH<< ------------ ************ ├ATEGORY 4 ╘OPIC 8 ************* ╘OPIC 8 ╙UN ╙EP 29, 1991 ╫.┬╥╧├╦╫┴┘1 [┬IG ┬OPPER] (╞ORWARDED) ╙UB: 128 6K VDC UPGRADE QUESTION 5 MESSAGE(S) TOTAL. ------------ ═ESSAGE 1 ╙UN ╙EP 29, 1991 ╫.┬╥╧├╦╫┴┘1 [┬IG ┬OPPER] (╞ORWARDED) ╘HAT SHOULD OF COURSE BE 64K VDC. ╔ JUST UPGRADED MY FLAT 128 TO 64K ╔SN'T THERE A PEEK OR POKE ╔ HAVE TO MAKE TO INITIALIZE IT? ┴ND WHAT AREE SOME GOOD DEMOS OR PROGRAMS? ╔ DON'T HAVE ┬ASIC 8 YET. ╔ DO HAVE ╟┼OS 128 NOT 2.0 DOES THIS SEE THE CHIP? ------------ ═ESSAGE 2 ═ON ╙EP 30, 1991 ╚.╚┼╥═┴╬1 (╞ORWARDED) ┬IG ┬OPPER, ┘OU *├┴╬* RUN ALL OF THE ┬ASIC8 PROGRAMS HERE. ┴LL YOU NEED IS THE ┬ASIC8 RUNTIME LIBRARY FILE. ╔'M NOT SURE OF ITS NAME, BUT IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE ┬ASIC8 ╥UNTIME'. ╘HIS ╥UNTIME GETS BOOTED, AND THEN ANY ┬ASIC8 APPLICATION CAN BE LOADED AND WILL RUN. ╘HE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN USING THE ╥UNTIME' AND THE ┬ASIC8 PROGRAM TO RUN APPLICATIONS, IS THAT WITH ╥UNTIME YOU CANNOT ACCESS AND CHANGE PROGRAM CODE. ╔T IS MADE INVISIBLE. ╫ITH THE ┬ASIC8 PROGRAM RUNNING APPLICATIONS, IF THERE IS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO CHANGE, THE CODE IS THERE, AND CAN BE FIXED UP ON THE SPOT. ┴NY ┬ASIC8 APPLICATION THAT REQUIRES THE 64K VDC TO RUN WILL SAY SO IN ITS FILE DESCRIPTION. ╔T WON'T RUN WITHOUT IT. ╧H! ┬E SURE TO DO A SEARCH FOR ╔ THINK IT IS GORILLA'. ╨ART OF AN SFX, OR SDA. ┴CTUALLY A DEMO OF 3 GRAPHICS. ╧OOPS.. ╔ JUST REMEMBERED! ╘HE GORILLA' PACKAGE GOES ONE STEP FURTHER THAN ┬ASIC8. ╔T AND THE OTHER TWO ARE GRAPHICS DONE WITH THE ╔╨AINT PROGRAM, WHICH WAS WRITTEN WITH ┬ASIC8, AND USES AN INTERLACE SCREEN. ╘HE SFX CONTAINS ╔╓╙, AN ╔╨AINT VIEWER PROGRAM. ╘HIS WILL USE A MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE 64K. ╔T CHANGES MY 1902┴ INTO A VGA SCREEN. :) ╚OWIE ------------ ═ESSAGE 3 ═ON ╙EP 30, 1991 ├128.╩┬┼┼ [* ╙YSOP *] (╞ORWARDED) ╔F YOU WANTED TO LEARN ABOUT HOW TO PROGRAM YOUR ╓─├, ╔ UPLOADED A FILE (WELL, ╔ THINK ╔ DID) CALLED ╥╠┼EANER. ╔T IS A SIMPLE TUTORIAL ON ╥╠┼ FILES , BUT, IT ALSO SHOWS HOW TO SET UP THE ╓─├ FOR BITMAPS. ------------ ═ESSAGE 4 ═ON ─EC 16, 1991 ╥.┴╠┬╥┼├╚╘3 AT 23:40 ╨╙╘ ╔ WAS WONDERING WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH THE 64╦ ╓─├ CHIP IN THE 128. ╔ HAVE ┴ 128D AND ╔ HAVE NEVER FOUND ANY SOFTWARE THAT PRODUCES GOOD GRAPHICS ON THE 128 IN 128 MODE. ┴LSO, ╔ AM USING A MONOCHROME MONITOR WITH THE 128 AND ╔ WANT TO GO TO A COLOR MONITOR. ╫HICH MONITOR IS RECOMMENDED WITH THE 128? ┴NY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED ------------ ═ESSAGE 5 ╘UE ─EC 17, 1991 ├128.╩┬┼┼ [* ╙YSOP *] AT 05:18 ┼╙╘ ═ONITOR CHOICES: MULTISCAN OR MULTISYNC MONITORS FROM ╬┼├ ARE REAL GOOD. ═IGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO GET ONE THAT SUPPORTS BOTH ╥╟┬╔, ╥╟┬┴, AND IF YOU HAVE THE CHOICE COMPOSITE. ╘HAT IS THE "IDEAL" CHOICE IF YOU HAVE ABOUT $500 :─ ╬ORMAL CHOICES: ┴ USED 1080, 1902 (NOT A 1902A!,╘HOMPSON, OR ═AGNAVOX) OR A NEW 1084 ╙ MONITOR WOULD GET NICE. ┴ USED 1080,1902 ARE ABOUT $125 AND A NEW 1084╙ IS ABOUT $300. ┘OU CAN ALSO BUY BRAND NEW ╥╟┬╔ ╔┬═ "ONLY" MONITORS FOR ├╟┴ 80 COLUMN SCREENS FOR ABOUT $200 OR LESS IN ├OMPUTER ╙HOPPER. ╩UST GET ONE THAT SUPPORTS ├╟┴ 640X200 OR 640X400 16 COLORS .41 MM OR LESS DOT PITCH (THE ONES WITH .62MM ARE REAL DOGS) GREEN TEXT SWITCH TRY TO BUY ONE WITH THE HORIZONTAL, VERTICAL, BRIGHTNESS, CONTROLS ALL UP FRONT WITH EASY TO USE DIALS. IS "╥╟┬╔" AND COMES WITH A CABLE! ┴S FOR PRODUCING GOOD GRAPHICS IN 80 COLUMN MODE, CHECK OUT ╥╙CARDS FOR THE ├-128 HERE ONLINE! ╔╨┴╔╬╘ ┬ASIC ╨AINT ╘HE GRAPHICS IN THE ┬ASIC 8 LIBRARY. ╘HERE ARE SOME REALLY GREAT LOOKING GRAPHICS THERE! ------------ ************* ├ATEGORY 4 ╘OPIC 9 ************* ╘OPIC 9 ╘HU ╙EP 26, 1991 ╫.┬╥╧├╦╫┴┘1 [┬IG ┬OPPER] (╞ORWARDED) ╙UB: ╓╟┴ FOR 128? ├OULD ╓╟┴ FOR THE 128 HAPPEN? 8 MESSAGE(S) TOTAL. ------------ ═ESSAGE 1 ╘HU ╙EP 26, 1991 ╫.┬╥╧├╦╫┴┘1 [┬IG ┬OPPER] (╞ORWARDED) ╙INCE ╓╟┴ CAN WORK ON A 8BIT ╨├. ┴ND SINCE THE ╓╟┴ HAS ITS OWN CONTROLLER. ╔S IT POSSIBLE FOR A ╓╟┴ CARD BE MADE FOR THE 128? ╔ WONDER IF ANY ONE STRONG IN THIS AREA COULD ANSWER. ╔ REALIZE THAT THE 128 WITH 64K OF VIDEO RAM IS AS GOOD AS ┼╟┴?(ISN'T IT?) ┬UT ╓╟┴ WOULD BE NICER AS WOULD EVEN MORE VIDEO MEMORY. ------------ ═ESSAGE 2 ╘HU ╙EP 26, 1991 ├128.╩┬┼┼ [* ╙YSOP *] (╞ORWARDED) ╘HE ├-128 PUTS OUT A ╘╘╠ DIGITAL SIGNAL CALLED ╥╟┬╔, THE ╓╟┴ MONITORS FOR THE MOST PART ARE ANALOG. ╘HOUGH A FEW MULTISCAN MONITORS COME WITH BOTH DIGITAL (╥╟┬╔) AND ┴NALOG INPUT. ╘HOUGH AT $500 IT IS A BIT OF OVERKILL FOR A MONITOR WHEN A 1902 OR 1084 WILL DO *OKAY*. ╘HOUGH ON THE HIGH RES AND FINER PITCH MONITORS THE PICTURE LOOKS MUCH NICER. ------------ ═ESSAGE 3 ╞RI ╙EP 27, 1991 ╚.╚┼╥═┴╬1 (╞ORWARDED) ╩┬┼┼, ╔ WAS TEMPTED TO GIVE A MULTI-SCAN (╔ BELIEVE THE ╬┼├ 3─ IS SUITABLE) A TRY, TIL IT WAS POINTED OUT THAT ╔'D LOOSE THE CONVENIENCE OF THE 1902┴'S BUTTON, AND QUICK AND EASY ACCESS TO COMPOSITE VIDEO FOR 64 MODE OUTPUT. ╚OWIE ------------ ═ESSAGE 4 ╞RI ╙EP 27, 1991 ─.┬╒╥╥8 (╞ORWARDED) ┴CTUALLY, ╔ AM CONFUSED...╔ THOUGHT HE WAS ASKING ABOUT ╓╟┴ GRAPHICS BOARDS NOT ╓╟┴ MONITORS.... ------------ ═ESSAGE 5 ╞RI ╙EP 27, 1991 ╫.┬╥╧├╦╫┴┘1 [┬IG ┬OPPER] (╞ORWARDED) D.BURR8--YOU'RE RIGHT. ╔'M TALKING ABOUT A ╓╟┴ CARD FOR THE USER PORT TO DRIVE A ╓╟┴ MONITOR. ╔ REALIZE WHAT THE ├128 HAS. ╔ HAVE A ╥╟┬ MONITOR FROM ╙EARS THAT ╔ USE IN 80 COL, ETC MODES. ╫HAT I MAY NOT HAVE MADE CLEARR IS THIS. ╔F A ╓╟┴ CARD FOR A ╨├/╪╘ CLONE IS MADE TO PLUS INTO AN 8BIT SLOT THEN WHY COULDN'T THE SAME BE DONE FOR THE 128? ------------ ═ESSAGE 6 ╞RI ╙EP 27, 1991 ╓╧┘┴╟┼╥-1 [╟ARY] (╞ORWARDED) ┴NYTHING IS POSSIBLE IF YOU WANT TO SPEND ENOUGH TIME AND MONEY ON IT. ╘HE QUESTION SHOULD BE MORE ALONG THE LINE OF ' WOULD IT BE WORTH THE TIME AND EFFORT '. ╧N THAT COUNT, ╔'M NOT REALY SURE. ╘HE ╨├ BUS IS DIFFERENT FROM THE ├┬═, SO IT WOULD REQUIRE SOME SORT OF INTERFACE BOARD. ╘HAT WOULD BE A GOOD PROJECT FOR SOME ENTERPRISING HARDWARE HACKER. ┴ COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, ANOTHER ├┬═ ENTHUSIAST AND ╔ HAD A CONVERSATION GOING ON A LOCAL ┬┬╙ ABOUT EXPANDING THE VIDEO MEMORY OF THE 128 BEYOND 64╦. ╫E FELT THAT IT COULD BE DONE BY TAKING AN UNUSED ╔/╧ ADDRESS TO SWITCH BETWEEN 64╦ BANKS. ╘HE DATA SENT TO THAT ADDRESS WOULD GO THROUGH A SIMPLE DECODER AND LATCH CIRCUIT AND THIS WOULD SET THE BANK BEING USED BY THE ╓─├. ╘HIS IS SORT OF THE WAY A ╥┼╒ IS EXPANDED BEYOND 512╦. ╫E LEFT THIS AS ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS FOR WHEN EITHER OF US HAD MORE FREE TIME. ┬Y SWITCHING THE BANKS OFTEN, WE FELT THAT IT WOULD PROVIDE FOR SOME INTERESITNG ANIMATION POSSIBILITIES AS WELL AS EXPANDING COLOR RESOLUTION. ╘HIS WOULD ALSO BE A GOOD PROJECT FOR SOMEONE. ╟ARY ------------ ═ESSAGE 7 ╙AT ╙EP 28, 1991 ╫.┬╥╧├╦╫┴┘1 [┬IG ┬OPPER] (╞ORWARDED) ╟ARY--┘ES THE ╨├ BUS IS DIFFERENT FROM THE ├┬═ BUS BUT IT IS AN 8BIT BUS ON THE ╪╘'S. ╘HUS DATA TO BE DISPLAYED IS XFERED TO THE DISPLAY CARD ,BE IT ╓╟┴, ┼╟┴, OR WHATEVER. ╘HE BENEFIT TO BE GAINED IS TO GO BEYOND 16 COLORS AND MORE PIXELS THUS BETTER PICTURE DEFINITION. ------------ ═ESSAGE 8 ╙UN ╙EP 29, 1991 ╓╧┘┴╟┼╥-1 [╟ARY] (╞ORWARDED) ┬IG ┬OPPER, WITH THE DATA BUS BEING 8 BITS FOR ╓╟┴ OR ┼╟┴, THAT DOES MAKE THAT PART OF THE PROJECT MUCH EASYER THAN IF THEY WERE 16 BITS. ╘HE INCOMPATABILITY ( AND THUS THE PROBABLE NEED FOR AN INTERFACE CIRCUIT ) WOULD BE IN THE CONTROL SIGNALS. ┴LSO, IT OULD TAKE SOME WORK IF THESE VIDEO CARDS TAKE OVER THE ╨├ BUS FOR SOME ─═┴ ACTIVITY. ╔ KNOW THEY CONTAIN THEIR OWN ╥┴═ FOR DISPLAY DATA, SO THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE THAT THEY DON'T NEED TO TAKE OVER THE ╨├ BUS. ┴NOTHER THING AN INTERFACE WOULD NEED TO CONTAIN IS A ╥╧═ WHICH WOULD WEDGE INTO THE 128'S OPERATING SYSTEM THE ROUTINES NEEDED TO DRIVE THESE CARDS. ╔T COULD BE DONE VIA A WEDGE LOADED INTO ╥┴═ OR AS PART OF A PROGRAM, BUT THIS WOULD TAKE UP VALUABLE SPACE FROM PROGRAMS OR PROGRAM DATA. ╔ GUESS WHAT ╔ AM GETTING AT IS THAT IT DOESN'T SOUND REAL DIFFICULT, BUT THERE ARE ALOT OF LITTLE THINGS TO RESOLVE. ------------